New Candidates to the Lagunas Chapter.

Just a few hours ago I had the opportunity of holding an election for the Slate Canyon Ward in Provo. We have two Youth candidates and one Adult leader nomination. I am looking forward to Maple Dell when we are joined by three more members of our Chapter. Let us continue to spread the word and find those Scouters who better exemplify the Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan. 

James F. Levao Chapter Advisor-Lagunas Chapter

Catching Up

It's been a while since our last post, so we've got a bunch of things to catch up on:

• Attendance at the National Jamboree:  Michael Eyler served on the OA Service Corps at the National Jamboree.
• Another Eagle:  Gabe Richardson was awarded his Eagle last month.  Congratulations!
• Trail Maintenance:  We really fell down on our maintenance of the trail this year.  We did get in one maintenance hike in September, and a couple of units hiked the trail after we recommended it to them.
• Movie Night:  On Nov 12, we had 12 youth and 3 adults gather to hold elections, eat pizza, and watch Time Bandits.  A good time was had by all.
• New Chapter Officers:  We have a new CEB!  Ian Frandsen continues to serve as Chapter Chief, David Armond is still our Vice Chief, Gabe Richardson is our new secretary, Trevor Dean is our new Vice Chief for Ceremonies, and Henry Avery is our new Vice Chief of Troop/Team Representatives.  Good luck to all of them in the coming year.

Don't forget, the lodge is holding Lodge Conference on Dec 29-31 at the Delta Man Camp (the same place we attended conclave in April).  The cost will be $40 if you register before 12/15.  Sign up now.  (If you're going, please let Pat Eyler or Ian Frandsen know if you've registered so that we can arrange rides.)

Two New Eagles!

With all the rush around our Spring Fellowship and Ordeal, we've been remiss in recognizing a great accomplishment by two of our brothers.  Ian, our Chapter Chief, and David, our Vice-Chief, both had their Eagle Boards of Review on Thursday and are the two newest Eagles in our Chapter.  Congrats guys!

I know we have several more who are close, let's help them make it happen.

Spring 2010 Fellowship (and new members)

We had a great fellowship this weekend. Fourteen candidates went through their ordeal including five from our chapter:  Henry, Hunter, Jon, Joshua, and Mesake.


The weather started out fine but during the night the rain started to fall and then turned to snow.  By morning we had a couple of inches covering our campsite.

We spent Saturday working on several camping and picnic grounds in American Fork Canyon.  Among other jobs we spread road base and gravel, cleared brush from stairways, and shovelled snow from the walkway into camps.

After a hard day's work, we enjoyed a great dinner together welcoming all of our new members.

What's Cooking at Roundtable (May 2010)

Our chapter was asked to help with a cooking demonstration at the May Roundtable.  Since this was a last minute request Michael and I (Pat) decided to do it alone.  Everyone else was demoing dutch-oven cooking (and pie-makers, a close relative), so we wanted to do something different — backpacking food seemed like the way to go.
We took along three stoves, two gas cartridge stoves and our WoodGas LE Stove.

We made up one of our favorites, Chicken, Raisins, and Cashews. We cooked up a bigger batch before the demo so that people could try it, then we made a single batch to show how easy it is to make.  Here's what you need to do to make two servings (plan on sharing with a buddy since the all chicken needs to be eaten at one meal).

• Assemble ingredients:
  
  
  
  • 1 7.5 oz foil pack of chicken
  • 2 cups instant rice
  • 1/2 cup cashews 
  • 1/2 cup raisins or diced, dried apricots 
  • 1 tsp dried onion flakes
• gather ziplock-style bags: 4 qt, 4 snack size
• find an old stocking cap (this will be a combination hot pad, cozy, and placemat)
• put 1 cup of rice into each of 2 qt sized baggies.
• put 1/4 cup of cashews into each of 2 snack sized baggies
• put 1/4 cup of dried fruit into each of 2 snack sized baggies
• put 1 bag of rice, 1 bag of cashews, and 1 bag or dried fruit into each of the remaining 2 qt sized bags.  (put the foil pack of chicken into one of the bags)

To prepare the meal:

• Boil 2 cups of water (more if you want a hot drink to go with it).
• Place the bag containing the rice in the stocking cap and open the top of the bag.
• Carefully pour 1 cup of boiling water into the bag of rice, seal the bag up (squeeze out most of the air), and gently knead it while holding the bag in the cap.
• Let sit for about 10 minutes, then add half the chicken, the cashews, and the dried fruit.
• Roll the brim of the cap to form a bowl, and set the bag inside it.  Eat right from the bag.

Other than the several baggies and an empty foil wrapper (which all fit into one of the qt sized baggies for packing out), the only cleanup you should have left is your spoon.
What kind of backpacking foods do you like to assemble and take with you?

New Member of our Chapter

The Hotametaneo'o chapter held an Ordeal on Apr 30-May 1, and one of our candidates was there with a couple of Arrowmen from our chapter. Fotu and the rest of the candidates did a great job of cleaning up the trails, grounds, and volleyball pit at the Alpine Bowery.  They endured a cold night with light rain and snow, but everyone seemed happy and healthy at the end of the day.

After the candidates were inducted in the Ordeal ceremony, they were joined by parents and lodge members at a feast of BBQ chicken, dutch oven potatoes, and cobbler.  Food always seems to taste so good after an ordeal.

We're looking forward to Fotu joining us in our activities in the future, especially the Fellowship Weekend and Ordeal we have planned for 21-22 May at the Granite Flat Campground above Tibble Fork Reservoir.  Hopefully many of our candidates will join us there.

Spring/Summer 2010 Events

 Since summer is always a busy time, here's a list of upcoming events.  We don't expect every arrowman to be at every activity, but we'd love to have you come to as many as you can.  It should be a great summer.

• May 14-15 District Camporee -- we're going to have a chapter presence to hold elections, have an OA cracker-barrel, run a call-out ceremony, and perhaps help w/ staffing (we've talked about establishing a trading post as a fund raiser, but that will probably wait until 2011)
• May 28-29 21-22 Ordeal and Fellowship -- serving as an elangomat is a great way to be involved in OA service.  If you can't be there the whole time, try to make it to the chapter feast on Saturday evening, it will  be a chance to bond with the rest of the chapter, including the new inductees. (Sorry about the date change, we needed to slide it to support the Ranger District.)
• June 8-12 Lodge TeePee week -- we have a handful of youth who want to go, but we're having trouble finding adults able to spend a week there (it's near Blanding).
• June 25-26 Chapter Backpacking trip through Slide Canyon.
• July 1-5 Freedom Festival -- we're being asked to provide support for the Indian Village and the parade.  This won't be a chapter level activity, but is an option for chapter members.
• July TBD Chapter Elections (probably another maintenance hike on the Slide Canyon Trail as well)
• Aug TBD Chapter Leadership Development Course (may slide to Sep)
• Sep TBD Sector Fellowship (may slide to Aug or Oct)

While the following aren't really scheduled events, they'll show up on the calendar at some point, and are worth knowing about:

• We've adopted the Slide Canyon trail, and need to take 3+ maintenance hikes on it each year.  This year, we're hoping to do 3-4 as a full chapter, and maybe more at the clan/unit level.
• We're trying to establish pre-ordeal and ordeal ceremony teams in the chapter (or maybe the sector). I don't know how often the youth will want to meet for rehearsals/team building, but maybe every month or two at this point.  If you're interested, please let us know.
• We'd also like to spearhead a sector level Brotherhood team.  If you're interested, please let us know.

Chapter Vice-Chief Mini-Interview

We're going to kick off a series of mini-interviews with Lagunas Chapter officers.  Your feedback will make these short posts even better, so if you have any questions for our interviewees, feel free to ask them in the comments.

David Armond, our Chapter Vice-Chief, is our first volunteer.  He was elected into the OA in January 2009 (at our District's Klondike Derby), and underwent his Ordeal in May 2009 at Camp Jeremiah Johnson.
Since his Ordeal he's served as an Elangomat and as a member of our Slide Canyon Trail Crew.   He is also a member of our 2010 call out team.

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You've been an arrowman for less than a year. What have been your best experiences so far?

Some of my best experiences so far have been at... tepee week , and my ordeal, they  were both really fun. At tepee week I met a bunch of new people that now I see everyday. And I got to be Elangomats for them.  My ordeal was also way fun because, I got to learn what was like to be an Arrowman.

Which of this year's big events (Conclave, TeePee Week, or Pow Wow) are you most looking forward to? Why?

TeePee week

1. it's a week long
2. last year they had horseback riding ( that was AWESOME by the way... :) )
3. I hope My friends are going ;)

Closing Out 2009 and Kicking Off 2010

2009 was a great year for us, and we closed it out on a high note.  We've been involved in camping promotion events for our district's new adult leaders at Leader Specific Training in November and December.  We had a chapter bowling night in November.  In December we took over the Clyde Lodge at Maple Dell for a night of games, movies, and food (oh, yeah, we worked on some ceremony training as well) — this was our best attended event in several years.

And now, we're kicking 2010 off with a bang.  A number of our arrowmen attended Klondike with their units, while several adults in the chapter helped out with activities there.  In our first Chapter Leadership meeting of the year, we pulled together a great looking calendar for the first half of 2010:

• Feb 5-6 LLDC — we're hoping to get 8-10 youth there along with a couple of adults.
• Elections in the Park —we want to hold multi-unit elections at Kiwanis Park in Provo in February, March, and April.  We're hoping to induct a great crop of new arrowmen this year.
• Apr 16-18 — we're looking forward to a huge group of arrowmen and candidates attending this great section level event.  Will you be there?
• May 14-15 District Camporee —hopefully most of our arrowmen will be going there with their units, but we'd love to have a chapter presence as well.  We will be holding a call out ceremony there.
• May 21-22 Spring Fellowship —Induction, Service, and a Feast ... what more can you ask for?
• Jun 2-5 Lodge TeePee Week —Our arrowmen who have attended this in the past rave about it.  It's going to be a great week at Scofield (with another Ordeal opportunity for any of our candidates who can't go to our fellowship).

What would you like to see us add to this schedule?

New Name! Same Great Stuff!

It's official!  When the news started circulating that the two districts in Provo were joing to be realigned, we started thinking about our chapter name.  With a mixed group of former Lakota and Sioux chapter members in the new district, and no real geographical tie to either name, we decided to take the name of Lagunas.  The Lagunas were the local Utes who interacted with the earliest mormon settlers in Provo.
Don't expect the new name to mean a change in the way we do things though.  We're still trying to put together the best opportunities for fun, service, and leadership for all of our arrowmen.  We want you to have a bunch of great skills and ideas to take back to your units to make them even better.
Keep an eye on our new blog for more information about upcoming events like our camping promotion extravaganza in November and the movie and game overnighter at the Clyde Lodge in December.

New Chapter Leaders!

Sorry for the late announcement — I've been Hiking in the Uintahs for the last week.
Our chapter has big news: We just held elections and have a completely new Chapter Executive Board.

• Chapter Chief — Ian Frandsen
• Chapter Vice-Chief — David Armond
• Chapter Secretary — Daniel Thurston

Please join me in wishing these fine young men well as they work together to guide the chapter over the next year.
Look for some more information about our Slide Canyon Trail hike, along with more information about chapter activities coming up soon!

Outgoing Lodge Chief

Stephen Ferris is our outgoing lodge chief (in more ways than one, he just got his LDS church mission call to the Tacoma Washington Mission -- Good luck Stephen!) Before he turns over his position, I wanted to post this interview we did with him by email.


Stephen has been a great supporter of our chapter. He's come camping with us at Klondike and been to our Spring Ordeal, where he worked with the candidates to help clean up Camp Jeremiah Johnson.

Thanks Stephen for your support. We appreciate all you've done for us and for the Lodge.

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When were you elected, and what have you done in the OA since then?

I was elected just before I turned 12 or 13. Since then, I originally became an active member of my Chapter's Ordeal Ceremony Team. At that point, I started becoming interested in leadership positions and was able to serve over Activities, Service, Ordeal Master (youth over the Ordeal), and Secretary. I often filled in for people that would assume responsibility, but would have troubles fulfilling them. I did run for Chapter Chief two times and was defeated both times. Never give up. On the Lodge, I have held the position of Secretary for two terms, and currently am serving as Chief. Again, never give up.

What are some of your favorite memories of your time in the Order?

There are so many wonderful memories that I have been able to have as I have served in these positions. I have loved getting to know people, especially knowing that, if it weren't for the positions I've held, I wouldn't have been able to meet and have gotten to know so many amazing people and had such great memories created through that.

I thoroughly enjoy camping, especially when you are at a Tepee Week and there are a bunch of white flakes falling all around you in the middle of June! Snow at Tepee Week, that was an unforgettable camp. We proved that, snow or shine, we were going to have fun, and we did.

I also have enjoyed the times where I have been able to gather around with the Lodge Executive Board (LEB) and make decisions that impact every member of our Lodge. I don't say this because we hold the fate of the Lodge in our hands, but rather, because you can truly see the love and concern that each member of the LEB has for everyone in our Lodge. A lot of thought, prayer, contemplation, hard work, and much more goes into every decision, great or small, that we make. It is an incredible thing to see and to know the love the LEB has for thier brothers in the the Tu-Cubin-Noonie Lodge and for the work they do.

What have been the most important lessons you've learned from the OA?

Brotherhood, Cheerfulness, Service. The three main points. This is what we are about. I have learned to make them a part of me. These three points are so powerful once understood and used correctly. It is amazing how they are all interwoven to the point that one of them being used will build upon the other two points. In other words, when excersizing one of these points, the others will be strengthened as well. There is more power in this organization, when used correctly, than most probably could ever imagine.

If a candidate were to come to you and ask if it was worth it to go through the Ordeal and become a member, what advice would you give him?

If you truly desire to spend yourself in the service of others, then yes, it is more than worth it. Two pieces of advice that I would give him:

First, The more you put into it, the more you will get out of it. In other words, the more active you are and seeking to be active, the more fun and enjoyment you will get out of it, and also, the more you will learn and grow from the experiences you will have.

Second, "He who serves his fellows, is of all his fellows greatest!".

Spring 2009 Ordeal Recap

We had a great Ordeal down at Camp Jeremiah Johnson this weekend. Before things got started, the elangomats met together for a training session and to look over the camp and service projects we would be working on. We kicked things off for the whole group with a welcome dinner and spent some time playing games as clans before we started Ordeal itself.
22 candidates participated in the ordeal along with 8 elangomats and were inducted into the Order on Saturday evening. The arrowmen on site were able to do a lot of work and got the camp nearly ready for the wave of cub scouts that will pour over it this summer. After the Ordeal, we enjoyed a feast of stew, salad, rolls, Philmont peach cobbler, and ice cream with the arrowmen and their families..
It was also great to have our Lodge chief join us in service during the afternoon, and then to have him welcome our new members at the feast. Thanks for coming out Stephen.
I'd like to thank Steve Bunker and Bob Walsh who helped oversee the activity; the Ceremony Team from the Nez Pierce chapter for providing our ceremonies; Glen Westbroek, Greg Gibson, Larry Hall, Matt Hornback, and 'Woody' Woodward who all gave up part of their weekend to help recognize our newest members.
We owe a special thanks to Ann Shumway and KC Clark, the Camp Directors at Jeremiah Johnson, who were gracious enough to let us come out and hold our ordeal at their camp.
We can't wait to see all of Lakota arrowmen at our next activity, don't miss out on the food and fun.

Donuts

Ok, since some folks have asked (and Mr B even dropped a comment about it), here's the recipe:

In a gallon sized zip bag, mix
4 1/4 cups flour
4 Tbs sugar
3 Tbs dry milk
1 tsp salt
2 tsp active dry yeast
1/4 tsp mace

Then put the first bag into a second gallon sized bag (double-bagging keeps the dry ingredients from making too much of a mess).

About 1 hour before you're ready to cook the donuts, mix 1 1/4 cups water and 2 Tbs oil into the dry ingredients. Mix well. You can add up to 1/4 cup additional water if needed. The dough should be smooth, not sticky, and should be stretchy. Cover the dough and let it rise. You can leave it in the bags to rise or put it in a bowl.

Heat vegetable oil in a dutch oven. You need about 2 inches of oil to fry the donuts in. The oil is hot enough (350-400 deg) when a bit of dough dropped into it bubbles and floats.

Shape donuts (cut them, tear them, whatever works for you and your scouts), then fry them in the hot oil, turning occasionally. When they are golden brown, pull them out and let them drain/cool. Tossing them in cinnamon sugar or powdered sugar adds a nice touch.

Show and Do Camporee, Spring 2009

Four members of the Lakota chapter went to the Cascade District's Spring Camporee at Simpson Springs to camp as a chapter. Two more youth arrowmen were there with their units. We also found that we had seven adults members of the Order there — now we need to recruit them into the chapter.
While we were there, we had four goals:

1. To provide on-site support for the camporee
2. To perform our call-out ceremony
3. To take part in the Show and Do activity
4. To have a good time camping as a chapter

Our chapter was the first unit on site. We split up, so that we could get our campsite set up and set up people at the entrance and the camping area to great incoming scout units and direct them to where they needed to be. It was good to see arrowmen serving the district like this.

The call-out ceremony went very well. We had about a dozen candidates called out, and the rest of the scouts and scouters in attendance seemed impressed with the whole thing. The candidates and members portion of the ceremony was held in a blind draw out of sight of the rest of camp, and was a great introduction and invitation to the Ordeal (without violating its mystery).

For the show and do, our chapter made donuts. It seemed like we had a pretty long line of scouts waiting to get a fresh donut. Hopefully, it showed everyon that there are some great breakfast options for a camp-out. I really enjoyed hearing the pro-OA buzz that it created among the other campers.
I think the best part of heading to the camporee as a chapter was just being able to hang out together. We had a good time camping out, and everyone enjoyed a 'quick' post-camporee run to the geode beds. (OK, so it was more like a half hour drive than a quick trip, but we all had fun anyway.)
Good luck to all of the candidates who were called out, we can't wait to see you at one of the upcoming ordeals. Maybe in the fall, you can be part of the call out team.

Elections, Ordeals, and More

Elections dropped off in March, but we're anxious to get out and finish strong. If you'd like to schedule elections for your unit, please contact lakota.steve@gmail.com.
The reason that we're focusing on elections right now is that we're building up for our Fellowship on May 22-23. We're going to be helping get Camp Jerimiah Johnson ready for another summer of Cub Scout Day Camp, holding an Ordeal for our new candidates, and closing things up with a chapter feast to welcome all of our new arrowmen. If you'd like to help as staff at the Ordeal or at the feast, please contact lakotasecretary@gmail.com.
Our Call Out team is nearly ready too. They're practicing hard for the Call Out they'll conduct at the District Camporee on May 8-9 (there's more info here). This is an exciting time to be an Arrowman in the Lakota Chapter.

Interview with our Section Chief

Some time ago I asked David Petersen, our section chief, if he would answer a few questions in an interview by email. I thought his answers might help encourage our candidates and newer Ordeal members. Read on to see what David had to say, and look for more interviews in the future.

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When were you elected, and what have you done since then?
David I got started in the Order of the Arrow when I was just over 11 years old. At the time I didn't know much about it. I just knew that I loved Scouting and that I wanted to continue it throughout my life. It sounded like a lot of fun. It was.
Why don't you start by telling us a little bit about your experience in the OA.
David The Order of the Arrow has been one of the best experiences of my life. It is really a life-changing program. My favorite times in the OA have been when I have been able to meet others. I love being able to get to know awesome guys. Some of the best people in the world are in the Order.
What are some of your favorite memories of your time in the Order?
David I have had some awesome memories in the Order of the Arrow. A few that come to mind include swinging off of a massive Zipline at Beaver High Adventure base, building catupults that launched water ballons for miles, and jumping out of a boat in rapids on a rafting trip (it was safe, but fun) with a bunch of fellow arrowmen and having a water fight. The OA is a ton of fun, excitement, mystery, and friendship. It's all good, clean fun. That's the best part.
What have been the most important lessons you've learned from the OA?
David The Order of the Arrow has taught me the true meaning of Leadership in Service. The most meaningful part of this lesson is the power that comes to your life from caring for others more than you care about yourself.
If a candidate were to come to you and ask if it was worth it to go through the Ordeal and become a member, what advice would you give him?
David I would tell him that if you take the stand to become a servant leader by experiencing the Ordeal that he will look back on it as one of the best decisions he has ever made. The Ordeal is not something to be afraid of. It is a really cool experience that binds us even closer as brothers. Go!Go!Go!

Lakota Chapter Trail Crew

I wanted to take a few minutes to tell you about a pair of related opportunities that we're working on for arrowmen in the Lakota Chapter.

We're hoping to adopt a trail (probably the Slide Canyon trail) this summer. In doing so, we'll need to make three hikes along it to perform trail maintenance and general clean-up. At this point, we're planning on going in July, August, and September. To help sweeten the pot, we're going to create a "Lakota Chapter Trail Crew" tee-shirt suitable for use as a Class B or activity uniform shirt. Any Lakota Chapter arrowman going on at least two of the maintenance hikes will get one of these shirts for free.

We need to come up with a design for the shirt though, and that's where the second opportunity comes in. It's time for another contest. Starting today, we're going to accept shirt designs from arrowmen or candidates in the chapter. We'll collect submissions until May 14th (the day before our fellowship weekend). At the fellowship, we'll announce the winning design. The arrowman who's entry is selected will win a free shirt to be awarded at the first maintenance hike.

So there you go, in addition to all the other stuff going on this year, you've got three more service opportunities (open to you and the non-OA scouts and scouters in your home unit), a chance to earn a shirt, and a chance to design the shirt. How much more can an arrowman ask for?

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Don't forget, you have a chance to win a patch by commenting on the entries here at this blog. We ended up not having any comments in March, so we didn't give out any patches. In April, we'll give out two to make up for it. Please add your feedback here — who knows, maybe you'll end up winning one of the patches.

An Alternate to Cell Phones & iPods

Are you having a hard time prying those electronic devices—cell phones, GameBoys and iPods—out the hands of your scouts? Try replacing their tech-toys with the latest generation of land navigation tools, a GPS receiver. GPS units will enhance the map and compass skills you want your scouts to master and may become that killer device that will get your scouts hiking, exploring and navingating the outdoors rather than texting each other in their tents.

Considering cell phone users may easily drop hundreds of dollars for a phone and service, or an iPod, a GPS unit is relatively inexpensive. They start at $90. They're even user friendly. I'll bet you if you place one in a scout's hand in the morning, he'll be teaching you how to use it that afternoon.

Now ratchet it up to the next level. Introduce you scouts to Geocaching and you have involved internet and social networking. Geocaching may sound hokey until you have your scouts go treasure hunting for one. It's exciting to see your scouts practice scout skills, teamwork and leadership to locate a cache. Then they get to open it and exchange trinkets and leave a message in the log book.

Have I sparked your interest? Check out Geoscouting and the recent articles in Scouting Magazine and Boys' Life about Geocaching.

Chapter Activity Feb 2009

It might have been the last day of February, but the chapter did hold its monthly leadership meeting and activity. Since a number of chapter members didn't make it, we decided to fill everyone in on what happened.
We started the leadership meeting with a review of the goals we'd set.
In our last blog post, we talked about one of these — Unit Elections. Our goal is to hold four elections each month in February, March, and April; so far, we're ahead of our goal.
We also talked about our goal to get the word out about our meetings. We're doing better at this, and thought we might see some benefits from it at the activity later in the evening.
After talking about our goals, we turned our attention to several upcoming events. Key among them is our May Fellowship. We decided not to try to form a brotherhood ceremony team at this point (we just don't have the resources). Instead, we will be working to form a call-out ceremony team.
As our leadership meeting started to wind down, two more chapter members showed up for the Activity. Since we've been hovering around two attendees, this seemed like an indication our publicity efforts have been working. After a quick opening ceremony, we talked about our calendar for March, April, and May.
In March, we're having a special Five Chapters event. One of the other Provo and Orem chapters has put together a game and movie overnighter. We'll meet at the Scout office at 6PM on Friday, March 6 and close things up at noon on Saturday. We'll also be making shirts that can be worn as part of ceremonies. We really want to see everyone possible there.
In April, the Section W2S is holding the 2009 Section Conclave on April 24-26. We're not going to hold a chapter activity this month, and hope that everyone will go to Conclave instead — take some time to register if you'd like to meet us there.
In May, we'll be holding a call out ceremony at the District Camporee on the 8th and 9th. The next week we'll be holding our Fellowship. We will be holding an Ordeal there, and if we can get things worked out, we'll hold a Brotherhood ceremony as well. If that's important to you, let us know.
After previewing the next several months, we organized our ceremony team and held a first practice for the call-out. The team will meet twice a month until the camporee to polish their parts and present the best ceremony that they can.
To close things up, we broke out the pizza and played 'Apples to Apples' while we ate. It was great to see everyone that came, but we missed the Lakota arrowmen that couldn't make it. We sure hope to see you next time.